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At last, a website that does not degrade my worth and dignity!

Posted by Richie on November 8, 2009

Today we begin with this “Introduce Yourself” post on the Antimisandry forum, which is accompanied by the traditional ad for online Muslim dating as well as a rarer, more collectible one for the Charles Atlas bodybuilding program:

Hello I ran and operate Heavenly Devils – A Men’s Lifestyle and Entertainment Magazine and came across this site recently. It has become an inspiration for a new section and has helped me in my attempt to make a site for men…

At last!

…that’s both entertaining and informational especially when it comes to issues that degrade men’s worth and their dignity.

As you’ve likely inferred from the phrase “Men’s Lifestyle and Entertainment Magazine”, Heavenly Devils is comprised largely of tits. But while most not-technically-porn sites would stop at Kelly Brook Bikini Shoot 78-J-Omega-Bravo, Heavenly Devils also has a “MEN” section which exists to inform men of the myriad ways in which their worth and dignity is degraded on a daily basis. Y’know, unlike women.

And that’s kinda the problem with trying to cross-pollinate between the lad mag aesthetic and reactionary men-are-oppressed-too whining: The former depicts the world as a vast beer tasting event held at the Playboy Mansion after it’s been specially relocated to a motocross track, while the latter depicts the world as queen’s egg chamber from Aliens. After a dozen or so solid pages of immaculately plucked, dyed and Photoshopped women posing in their underwear and answering interview questions about how sexy they find socially-maladjusted manchildren with bits of corn in their beards, nobody, not even the invertebrate target audience, is going to be able to read an article about how the world isn’t doing enough to service men without thinking “Haaaaaang on a second…”

But this isn’t the biggest problem with the “MEN” section of Heavenly Devils. The biggest problem is that it’s completely fucking stupid. How fucking stupid? Well: A group of about ten teenage boys raped and beat a girl for two hours while a crowd of their friends stood around urging them on and taking photos. She ended up in hospital for five days afterward. Who has suffered here? Men.

Wow, that is completely fucking stupid!

How are men the victims here, though? I mean, “a bunch of men raped a woman, we have photographs because their friends thought it was the perfect ending to a fun night out” not only looks like a pretty open and shut case of men raping women, I’m going to go out on a limb here and say that that is, in fact, what actually happened on the night in question. Almost uniquely, the criminal justice system agrees. Not even Charlie, the author of the screed in question, challenges this version of events, yet still claims that men are being victimised here. How could Charlie have possibly reached such a conclusion?

If you answered “Charlie is an Men’s Rights Activist”, you are correct and win this goat. While the rest of the feminised world-except-Siberia relies on politically correct newspeak like “logical arguments” and “things that actually happened”, Charlie instinctively knows that men are oppressed and that the most constructive response to an event like this isn’t to seriously ask why or how it happened, it’s to work backwards in order to justify those instincts. Y’know who doesn’t have instincts? Robots. Charlie, in his first and only wise move, doesn’t suggest women actually caused the gang rape in question, but he does blame a woman for reporting it in a way that makes men look bad. Jouranlist Sandy Banks, misandric harpy that she is, has come to the conclusion that a bunch of young men raping a woman and finding it entertaining is, just maybe, symptomatic of a culture among young men which treats victimisation and misogyny as both entertaining and acceptable. Charlie’s having none of it. Charlie knows the truth. Charlie brings to light one startling fact that Ms. Banks, clearly too busy offering severed testicles to a statue of Lilith, has failed to take into account:

Let’s be honest here these were not men, they were boys.

I think you’ll find the actual honest answer is “No, wait, they were teenagers”. The use of “boy” here, like every other time it’s used to describe someone over the age of 12, is supposed to suggest something innocent and childish, as if it’s possible to accidentally gang rape someone while trying to find your place in the world. And even if we do accept the teenagers in question as “boys” then… Well, that’s even worse, isn’t it? The idea that people don’t even have proper sexualities yet are already using sexuality as a weapon is terrifying and proves that something really is unimaginably fucked up.

Of course who in today’s society knows what a man really is anymore right? Would a man stand up against this sort of thing or would a man have participated in it? [...] According to those that want to degrade the very name man this is exactly what a man would do, stand by and watch or actually participate in such a horrifying act.

Let’s imagine, just for a second, you’re running a Men’s Rights blog. Since you have a propensity to go on self-pitying rants, yet are also aware that your belief system has the structural integrity of yoghurt, you decide to make a list of Emotive Rhetorical Questions Not To Ask and pin it to the wall behind your desk. Now… Surely, surely the fucking pole position on that list would be “Would a man ever participate in rape?”, yes? Because not only is the answer really, really obvious, it’s the kind of answer that’s going to make everyone hate you.

And then, somehow, he makes us hate him even more:

All of these people were youngsters without direction. Youngsters who don’t understand where they fit in this world sexually. Youngsters who still need to learn what’s right and what’s wrong.

Your eyes do not deceive you. They gang raped her because nobody had told them that gang rape was bad.

If someone is vulnerable, screaming and in distress while you and nine buddies take turns ritually humiliating her for no purpose other than rituallly humiliating her, then basic human empathy is enough to tell you that it’s wrong. You do not need laws, because you have tears and screams and blood. What you can be taught is that those things don’t matter when they’re coming from somebody less important than you, something evidenced in, ooh, every heirarchal structure ever created. The most telling part of Charlie “argument”, however, is that if we do accept that these boys needed to be told that gang rape was bad, then we have to also accept that men are inherently gang rapists unless forced not to be. This is the same person who, a paragraph earlier, was complaining that society is out to degrade men. Once again, the only real misandrist involved is the guy complaining about misandry.

So who do we blame for these children not learning what they should have learned by now? The media who report negative stories about how men act and how it’s there nature to be violent has a huge role day in and day out. The laws this country abides by where the man usually loses everything from custody to money if the case involves a “weaker” woman. The law enforcement agencies who are quick to blame the man for domestic violence forever tarnishing his reputation. The women who falsely accuse men of rape to benefit in some way. The economy where a man will more than likely lose his job faster because he is paid more and puts in more hours on average than a woman.

No, wait, he actually does blame women after all. Sorry.

34 Responses to “At last, a website that does not degrade my worth and dignity!”

  1. Charlie said

    First off I don’t blame women. I do blame those womens groups that want to push their perception of what a man is. I also blame those people, men and women, that choose to portray a woman as the weaker sex. Those men and women that think only women can raise children correctly. Those that pretend that women shouldn’t have the same responsibilities yet they should have all the same rights as men.

    My overall goal is to portray what I feel like a man is and should be. Men look at tits thus I have women on the site whose tits I think men would like to see. Men are interested in why being called a man is starting to be considered a bad thing so I write about the reasons and issues I think pertain to that subject. The article in question deals with the issue of why men are portrayed as bad. The author of the original article called the group a group of men. This adds to the defamation of the word man and in my opinion was uncalled for since these were not men but boys.

    I didn’t say the boys were right. I didn’t say the boys suffered. I stated men have suffered because of the use of the word men to infer this is how men act. In my opinion this is not how men act.

    This is the kind of stuff these boys see and hear all the time. If this is how a man acts what should they do? They are using sexuality as a weapon because this is what they’ve been told men do. Where is the blog/channel/radio show that says otherwise?

    Men don’t commit rape. Cowards do.

    Now see it how you want to. Twist it how you may. But, assuming you’re a man (you posted as richie), please don’t tell me you don’t find women attractive. If you’re gay please don’t tell me you don’t find men attractive. And please don’t tell me, whether you’re gay or straight, that you don’t prefer one body part over another and wouldn’t like to see that particular body part in person, a picture, or a movie.

    Trying to discredit my site because it shows pictures of women scantily clad is a sad argument. Saying I blame women for the rape of that girl is fucking stupid. I know you wrote this mainly to be controversial and I appreciate the effort and time it took for you to do so. Unfortunately you didn’t have the sense enough to understand the entire issue at hand which, for my site’s men section, is how men are starting to be treated unfairly just because they are men. How the word man is starting to be used in a negative fashion and how that effects both men and women. How defining what a man is and should be is getting more and more difficult every day. How not being able to define what a man is and should be can lead to huge issues one of which was this gang rape case.

    The effect of using the word man negatively over the past couple of years may have resulted in these boys thinking this was ok to do.

    And for the record I do believe women can and should be be equal to men and vice versa. I do believe women are strong. I believe men are discriminated against because they are men. And I believe there are groups out that want to change what a man is considered to be and that their view isn’t positive and only serves to make the sexes unequal.

    To that end I thank you for visiting my site nonetheless. I appreciate your thoughts and agree with your comment:

    “The idea that people don’t even have proper sexualities yet are already using sexuality as a weapon is terrifying and proves that something really is unimaginably fucked up.”

  2. Richie said

    yes it is Very unfair that people are calling these men ‘men’. Today in the news paper there was a story about a group of men who had a “face book” group about rape being acceptable and I thought OK they are men, it is one story OK. But then there was another story about an actual rapist who was a MAN and i thought lets not overdo things. Then i did some research and it turns out that 98% of rapists WERE ALSO MANS!!!!!

    it is rediculous, next time I want to read about Real Men I will do so on you’re objective web page instead. there are not enough beer-dispensing boobs on other websites so lets have more misogyny not less, internet!

    best wihses richie

  3. Richie said

    And yes, as if on cue, he’s doing the whole “I adopted a calm and authoritative tone in my painfully long and whiny comments, WHY ARE YOU NOT TAKING ME SERIOUSLY?” thing.

  4. Llencelyn said

    GAAAH, MRAs drive me insane!

  5. Dire Sloth said

    Anyone else interpret “…that’s both entertaining and informational especially when it comes to issues that degrade men’s worth and their dignity.” as “This website will teach you how to degrade men’s worth and dignity in an entertaining manner”?

    Anyone else get a really creepy vibe from him calling the criminals “children”? I know the idea is to paint them as being immature and unaware of the nature of their crime, but I couldn’t help but interpret him as suggesting they just hadn’t learned to take advantage of their privilege and rape people without getting in trouble for it.

    “The law enforcement agencies who are quick to blame the man for domestic violence forever tarnishing his reputation.” <-Notice how he doesn't say "FALSELY blame." In MRA-world, tarnishing a man's reputation is an inexcusable punishment for ANYTHING.

    I'm gonna go eat this goat, hopefully it'll cheer me up…

  6. Richie said

    Well, the majority domestic violence accusations are false, donchaknow. She’s faking that black eye as a shaming tactic.

  7. agouti-rex said

    So basically Charlie has informed us that NO TRUE SCOTSMAN would commit rape.

    Also worth noting, you can apparently be exposed to all manner of violent film and video games without any desensitizing effects, but watching the news will turn you into a rapist. Yeah, that makes sense. So I’m guessing that the only media Charlie thinks has any ill effects are the media that he personally doesn’t watch.

  8. agouti-rex said

    From another article on the same site: “Men have conclusions about them jumped to every day and I for one am getting sick and tired of it. What can men do to change this? How can men escape what they have become, scapegoats for the legal system and perceived as beer-drinking violent Neanderthals?”

    Gee, why are men perceived as violent beer-drinking neanderthals? Certainly not because of websites like Heavenly Devils, of course.

  9. Richie said

    God, now I’m imagining actual neanderthal MRA bloggers. “Og spend all day hunting mammoth. Bring meat to woman. She still dating Broken Tusk. Bitch not appreciate Og”

  10. FW said

    Wow what an ass. One of those kids was 21.

  11. Linda Radfem said

    I’d like to ask one of these cocks exactly what they think women gain from false rape accusations. Do we get a million bucks or something? Also, someone needs to tell Charlie what time it is; the age of criminal responsibility is 10.

    Been meaning to show you this btw,

    http://www.feministcritics.org/blog/2008/06/08/female-privilege/

    But don’t worry, they’re not MRAs or anything – they’re just feminist critics.

  12. Richie said

    Ohhhhhh yeah, that… document. Just this morning I was cursing my inability to wear clothing that signified playful openness, but had to settle for clothing nobody judges me on instead.

  13. agouti-rex said

    “I didn’t say the boys were right. I didn’t say the boys suffered. I stated men have suffered because of the use of the word men to infer this is how men act. In my opinion this is not how men act.

    This is the kind of stuff these boys see and hear all the time. If this is how a man acts what should they do? They are using sexuality as a weapon because this is what they’ve been told men do. Where is the blog/channel/radio show that says otherwise?”

    Wait, so reporting on rape causes rape? And reporting on the fact that a man committed a rape makes other men think that they should rape too? Man, Charlie, for someone so concerned about how the modern world is making men look bad, you sure have a low opinion of men’s intelligence.

    Also, does this mean that I have carte blanche to commit any crime that I’ve heard of being committed by some one of my gender?

    Also also, you say that calling the men who raped these women men makes people think that men rape (what a shocking deduction), so they should be called boys instead. By your own reasoning, wouldn’t that just make people think that boys rape? How is this in any way a PR improvement for your side?

  14. Richie said

    LOGIC IS SO ELITIST

  15. Shorter Charlie:

    Wah wah wah men shouldn’t be held responsible for the things they do wah wah wah all women’s fault wah wah wah women run everything, including the media. Also, Wah.

  16. meerkat said

    “Those that pretend that women shouldn’t have the same responsibilities yet they should have all the same rights as men.”

    Because rights are contingent on having and/or fulfilling responsibilities.

    Mostly I feel bad for this guy that he has his own (although not unprecedented) definition of the word “man” and the rest of the world refuses to adopt it.

    “please don’t tell me you don’t find women attractive. If you’re gay please don’t tell me you don’t find men attractive. And please don’t tell me, whether you’re gay or straight, that you don’t prefer one body part over another and wouldn’t like to see that particular body part in person, a picture, or a movie.”

    Nobody tell him about asexuality, or his head will explode. I can’t really imagine singling out one body part to be attracted to, but I guess that’s because I am a girl.

  17. Richie said

    He also misses the key distinction between “Attracted to women” and “Get off on seeing women reduced to living pornographic beer dispensers in order to feed my suffocating sense of entitlement”. And I think you’ll find women are attracted to the wallet, BURRRRRRRN.

  18. bg said

    Yeah, the whole “Men don’t rape. Cowards rape.” thing kind of annoys me. It’s as if trying to define “man” as inherently awesome will help men. Or, maybe he could realize that SOME men are, in fact, rapists, and that you have to deal with that.

    Hell, I deal with this all the time with regards to faith. I am a Christian, but I’ve had to come to grips with the fact that a lot of Christians have done some seriously heinous shit. It doesn’t mean that my definition of Christian is the only valid one, it means that it encapsulates a lot of people, and so they’re a mixed bag.

  19. Dire Sloth said

    RICHIE HOW DARE YOU TREAT CHARLIE IN SUCH A RUDE FASHION HOW IS HE SUPPOSED TO LORD HIS SMUG OPINIONATED ASS OVER YOU IF YOU DON’T EVEN GIVE HIM THE CHANCE >=(

    Seriously, is there nowhere else on the internet where a MAN can go and have his infallible viewpoint HEARD? Wait…

  20. Ele said

    Unintentional humour is a wonderful thing.

  21. shelby said

    I agree with Charlie. If the media would just stop calling these males who rape “men” and start calling them, say, “ducks” or “poptarts” then we wouldn’t have the rape problem that we do. Makes very good sense, no?

  22. geekanachronism said

    I love that he can’t see how making a hierarchy of what ‘men’ are just exacerbates the problem. You make ‘man’ a cognitive trophy and you either get fucked up attempts to fill a role (one that conveniently is SOOOOOO HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARD so it’s no wonder men get tired and cranky and violent) or you get fucked up attempts to refuse to fill the role.

    Rapists aren’t cowards – they’re rapists. They’re the bloke next door, your father, your brother, your mate, your teacher, your student, your idol, your hero – in short, there’s no fucking single thing that delineates rapists from the rest of the population except that they rape. Chances are they hate women in some way too, but I’m not about to ascribe that motivation to male-male rape.

  23. Jenny D said

    Also – “gang rape was around before video games and the media” vs “They are using sexuality as a weapon because this is what they’ve been told men do. Where is the blog/channel/radio show that says otherwise?”

    Either men commit gang rape regardless of societal influences, or they don’t. Which is it?

  24. Richie said

    Whichever one makes my life look harder!

    The ultimate irony is that I do agree with Charlie that men use their sexuality as a weapon because they’re told it’s what men do. But they’re told it by other men because it perpetuates patriarchy by keeping women threatened and abused. But challenging that would also challenge men’s unearned privileges, and we can’t have that.

  25. chocolatepie said

    Men = don’t rape women
    Rapists /=/ Men

    It’s win-win! If a “man” rapes a “woman” (how do we even KNOW? If she’s being raped is she REALLY a woman anymore so much as a bucket of trash?) then he is, by definition, no longer a “man.”

    Clearly, the discussion needs to be focused on how the media portrays the poor misunderstood violent criminals instead of the young woman who will get a lifetime of PTSD and sleepless crying nights as her door prize. That shit’s just a downer.

  26. April said

    I would like a goat, too.

    http://www.feministcritics.org/blog/2008/06/08/female-privilege/ As a woman …

    1. I have a much lower chance of being murdered than a man. I will, however, require a gun, a large dog, a friend, or all three to be confidant walking around my neighborhood after dark.
    2. I have a much lower chance of being driven to successfully commit suicide than a man, although I deliberately harm myself much more often. When I do attempt suicide, I tend to be inexperienced with violence and I’m less likely to use a gun, which is why I survive.
    3. I have a lower chance of being a victim of a violent assault than a man, and somehow, it’s my responsibility to fix that.
    4. I have probably been taught that it is acceptable to cry, and clearly once is a lesson that, once set in childhood by a malicious mother can never change.
    5. I will probably live longer than the average man. It’s going to suck watching my husband die.
    6. Most people in society probably will not see my overall worthiness as a person being exclusively tied to how high up in the hierarchy I rise. Instead, they will be concerned with the size and shape of my bust.
    7. I have a much better chance of being considered to be a worthy mate for someone, even if I’m unemployed with little money, than a man, so long as I have a fantastic ass. This is a Godsend since I’m so much more likely to struggle financially.
    8. I am given much greater latitude to form close, intimate friendships than a man is. Somehow, this is my fault. I should really get cracking on making sure men find emotional intimacy with each other, but I’m just so busy establishing my own social life.
    9. My chance of suffering a work-related injury or illness is significantly lower than a man’s. I knew there was an upside to being denied entry into so many occupations…
    10. My chance of being killed on the job is a tiny fraction of a man’s. I bet if I were allowed to fight for my country in an infantry unit, or any of several other dangerous job opportunities denied to me, this might change.
    11. If I shy away from fights, it is unlikely that this will damage my standing in my peer group or call into question my worthiness as a sex partner. This is because I have chosen a peer group and sex partners who are reasonable, responsible adults.
    12. I am not generally expected to be capable of violence. If I lack this capacity, this will generally not be seen as a damning personal deficiency. It will, however, make me a target for all manner of attempts at physical intimidation.
    13. If I was born in North America since WWII, I can be almost certain that my genitals were not mutilated soon after birth, without anesthesia. Oh God, that’s horrifying! Blame your father.
    14. If I attempt to hug a friend in joy, it’s much less likely that my friend will wonder about my sexuality or pull away in unease. This is another one of those things that, I feel like it should be my fault, but I just don’t see how it could be…
    15. If I seek a hug in solace from a close friend, I’ll have much less concern about how my friend will interpret the gesture or whether my worthiness as a member of my gender will be called into question. You could do this, too, if your friends weren’t assholes blinded who are by a rigid gender construct.
    16. I generally am not compelled by the rules of my sex to wear emotional armor in interactions with most people, because if I choose I can play the weak victim who surrenders her autonomy and dignity for protection.
    17. I am frequently the emotional center of my family. But you can pick up the slack anytime you want to, honey…
    18. I am allowed to wear clothes that signify ‘vulnerability’, ‘playful openness’, and ’softness’. You could too, and I promise that it wouldn’t be me making fun of you.
    19. I am allowed to BE vulnerable, playful, and soft without calling my worthiness as a human being into question. This does, of course, carry the risk that my behavior will be misinterpreted as an invitation. Come to think of it, in many cases I’m required to be vulnerable, soft, etc, and any effort to disabuse a man that I am not issuing an invitation may turn out to be grounds for public shaming.
    20. If I interact with other people’s children — particularly people I don’t know very well — I do not have to worry much about the interaction being misinterpreted. I guess this one is my sole responsibility to fix, too.
    21. If I have trouble accommodating to some aspects of gender demands, I have a much greater chance than a man does of having a sympathetic audience to discuss the unreasonableness of the demand, and a much lower chance that this failure to accommodate will be seen as signifying my fundamental inadequacy as a member of my gender. This is damn convenient, since I am much, much, much, much, much more likely to encounter a situation in which my gender will put me at an unreasonable disadvantage, and if I am forced to discuss an unreasonable demand, I run the risk of gaining a reputation as a horrible person.
    22. I am less likely to be shamed for being sexually inactive than a man. I am much more likely to be shamed for being sexually active with multiple partners, and if I get raped, I can be almost certain that my sexual history will be used against me.
    23. From my late teens through menopause, for most levels of sexual attractiveness, it is easier for me to find a sex partner at my attractiveness level than it is for a man. This is presumably why Jack Black is considered cute, boyish, and charming, while Rosie O’Donnel is a fat ugly bitch.
    24. My role in my child’s life is generally seen as more important than the child’s father’s role. Again, you’re free to pick up the slack any time you want, sweetie.

  27. Richie said

    Aww, you deserve a whole herd for that.

  28. April said

    Yes! Goats! I hope they’re fainting goats!

  29. orlando said

    Thanks Richie, your takedown was a hoot (feeling a bit retro today, expressions-wise). I must read more, as soon as I finish contemplating what a terrible disadvantage a man suffers by being paid more than a woman.

  30. plainjane said

    Doesn’t the person who wrote that list of female privileges realize that the solution to every single one is feminism? Seriously, he gets more shame for being sexually inactive than a woman would? It’s not feminists or even women who are doing the lion’s share of the shaming. And all that stuff about not being considered a desireable mate if he’s unemployed and has no money, and about his devalued role as a parent? All that stuff happens because of the perpetuation of traditional gender roles. Please, Charlie- I’m so sure you’re willing to give up your college education, your career, and your source of income to stay home with the kids and change poopy diapers all day and have a hot meal waiting on the table when your wife gets home from a hard day at the office before she heads out to the strip club for some shenanigans with a chiseled dude sporting some sort of contraption that turns his wang into a boxed wine dispenser. You do realize that it’s feminists who are constantly engaging in political activism to implement family-friendly employment policies, right?

    Thanks for the hilarious takedown, Richie.

  31. wiggles said

    @FW @10: “Wow what an ass. One of those kids was 21.”

    Another one is 19. And there are more who haven’t been arrested yet and who knows what ages all the bystanders were.

    Seriously, on an online news article about this that had reader comments, one of the first ones was a “serious question” whether this was a case of “regretted sex.” No shit. Girl was left bleeding to death under a park bench, had to be airlifted to an ICU to get sewn back together and dickheads’ first reaction is still this “regretted sex” horseshit. Nothing but excuses, these assholes.

    She’s probably got some hefty medical and legal bills coming her way, so if anybody wants to make a donation to the victim and her family:

    Richmond High School
    1250 23rd St.
    Richmond, CA 94804-1011

    Make checks out to the Richmond High Student Fund, with “For sex assault victim” written in the memo fund.

  32. tallycola said

    God Richie why do you torture yourself reading those blogs? You’re going to give yourself a heart attack and then where will we be?

    Although I really did enjoy your purposefully misspelled response to this idiot’s comment. Well done!

  33. Richie said

    It was less painful than the film I was editing at the time. Although now that’s over and I’m reading ANOTHER MRA blog where they’re complaining about a “philopsofer”.

  34. Emzy said

    LOL. You crack my shit right up, Richie

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