THAT’S US GAMERS :D
Posted by Richie on March 25, 2010
A wargaming blog called Dick Move (“Hey, if I call myself a dick then I can use it to silence criticism AND look meta-textual!”) is attempting to pick holes in a post I wrote slightly over a year ago, and I’ll get to my specific thoughts on the matter later. I want to start with something more general, though, because it gets to the heart of every single problem I have mainstream SF fandom, and also because dedicating an entire article to arguing about Warhammer 40,000 canon with a stranger on the internet is going too far even by my standards.
There’s another wargaming blog called Bell of Lost Souls, which is hugely popular and – as a consequence of having so many readers and contributors – an excellent source of news, especially for people who don’t have time to wade through long, whining forum threads in order to find out what it is that everyone’s actually whining about in the first place. They also get straight to the news itself and talk about what it means, rather than prefacing everything with a rambling introduction about what they had for breakfast and how they think their five year old nephew is going to react. After discovering it a year or so ago, I’d check for updates two or three times a day. I’m using past tense because, on February 9th, they posted story called “Anatomy of a Gamer Girl Part 1″, and I’ve no idea what part they’re up to now since I could never bring myself to go back again.
Not only did I see what appeared to be a pretty girl playing 40K, I saw that girl playing Necrons! So donning my “Ace Reporter”-brand Fedora and notepad, I took it upon myself to track down this “Zephri” to see if she was real.
Now, some idiot, possibly the author Dick Move himself, is going to assume that because I’m a professional white knight with a hair-trigger for protecting ladies’ virtue, I found the post offensive and it wounded my sensitive, poetic man-soul. I am not offended by what “Anatomy of a Gamer Girl Part 1″ says about gamer girls, and I don’t think any of the gamer girls I know would be either, mostly because it’s so inane that it barely qualifies as saying anything at all. What I am bored and insulted by, however, is the assumption that the target reader is a socially inept manchild who needs to have the fact that women sometimes play games explained to him in the most coddling, patronising way possible. “Anatomy of a Gamer Girl” is not a constructive article about women gamers. It is not a serious interview. It isn’t simply the equivalent of somebody typing OH MY GOD GUYS IT’S A GIRL I’M TALKING TO A GIRL WHO PLAYS GAMES for three solid pages, it actually is. Her interview responses are printed in pink. There is almost no discussion of the barriers facing women in wargaming, even though the gender disparity alone should tell you that something more is going on (I can think of three personal friends who’ve given up going to wargaming clubs because the boys’ club atmosphere is so alienating). There is a picture of her roughly every second paragraph, to ensure we can look at her as much as possible. A sizable number of the questions in part two are about what it would be like to date her. That’s it for content. Bell of Lost Souls makes no other attempts to address the topic. The issue is not that the article itself is shitty and pointless, it’s that the authors think that this is an acceptable way to cover the topic of women in gaming. In two thousand and ten.
After chatting with her, I felt like I opened my back door and saw a unicorn standing in my yard.
It’s not just that times have changed and these guys are behind them, it’s that, thanks to the internet, the last decade has seen an exponential increase in available information about women in gaming, all there online, for free, if you’re willing to go and look for it. I’m going to go out on a limb and suggest that these guys weren’t. They stumbled upon one woman by chance, asked her the kind of questions they felt comfortable asking, ruled a line under it and decided it qualified as an ‘anatomy’ of the subject. End of. If this had appeared in a gaming magazine a decade ago then it might at least have helped get women gamers more exposure, but in an online world containing Game Girl Advance, Feminist Gamers and the dear departed Cerise, it speaks of an unwillingness to engage with the topic they’re actually writing about on anyone else’s terms. The article is ostensibly about women in gaming, but it’s their questions, their space and their beliefs that inform it, so no risks are taken and consequently it just reaffirms the attitudes they already had to begin with. This isn’t about the article not being a feminist manifesto – it’s a mainstream wargaming blog that almost never touches on politics – it’s that they bring up a touchy subject, proceed to dodge every awkward question it raises and then call it a day. The meat of the article isn’t “Let’s talk about women in gaming”, it’s “Don’t worry, hot girls play games too, and you might be able to get them to date you”. Bitchin’!
Were you actually playing that game of 40K or did someone trick you into standing next to the table and then take a picture?
To be blunt, I can’t work up the enthusiasm to continue reading something that thinks that little of its audience. The comparison to a gaming magazine from a decade ago is an apt one, actually, because I stopped reading Dragon magazine under similar circumstances: One of their April Fool’s issues had a page of “comedy” monsters, one of which was called “Girlfriend” and attacked you by taking away your Dungeons & Dragons time. Ha, so to speak, ha. Once again, my sixteen year old self’s “Oh, screw this” reaction wasn’t anything to do with misogyny, it was simply that I didn’t want to read a magazine that assumed I could relate to feeling that way. None of my girlfriends have been gamers of any description, and about half of them have thought that gaming was a silly waste of time and money, but the idea that this makes them an adversarial killjoy, rather than a different person who doesn’t share every single one of my interests because they are a different person, is self-centred and juvenile.
If you care about gamers being portrayed as sensible, mature adults, do not write shit like this, because it makes you sound like you are in high school.
So far, so tedious, but what makes this kind of behaviour more annoying than usual is that it’s coming from people who should – if they were doing their jobs properly – actively rebel against this way of relating to the world around them. As if to demonstrate my argument about considering other points of view, I’m going to do the unthinkable and not uncritically quote my favourite punching bags over at The Spearhead:
Science fiction traditionally is about men doing things, inventing new technologies, exploring new worlds, making new scientific discoveries, terraforming planets, etc.
Now, after ‘men’, the word that stands out most of all is ‘new’, because SF is, at its best, about people rethinking their worldview after it’s shaken up by something new. War of the Worlds was, originally, a fable designed to force the British Empire to face up to being on the other side of colonialism. Frankenstein raises questions about the relationship between science, God, humanity and life. The Time Machine shows us the parodic end result of a social class system. We may be used to them now after a half-century of film adaptations that tore the guts out and turned the remains into props for monster costumes and ageing character actors, but they were in no way intended to simply be comforting, escapist reads. This also goes for mainstream SF television; the original conceptions of Doctor Who and Star Trek were about placing the lead characters in an unfamilliar environment and forcing them to consider how it worked, although this has arguably gotten sidetracked during an era I’ll simply call the Late Tennant Epoch. Even so, being a fan of a genre built on considering alternative ways of looking at the world should, by all rights, make SF fans the most tolerant and broad-minded people in the world. In practice, when faced with something no more strange and unsettling than a female human being, their response isn’t to engage with her on any level, it’s to stand slack-jawed and yell HEY WE FOUND A GIRL LOOK IT’S A GIRL, as if they’ve captured her on safari and are presenting her to the Royal Society for dissection. It’s not going too far to suggest they’d be less sensationalist when describing an actual alien.
They also get ludicrously defensive if you point out any flaws in their pet pretend-universes, however politely. Dethtron, author of Dick Move, is annoyed that racism is one of those things that people ‘can’t seem to let go’, and is glad that ‘the issue rarely creeps into the gaming community’. So, right off the bat, we’re dealing with a real people’s champion here. Experienced racism? FUCK YOU, LET IT GO! Rodney King? FUCK YOU, LET IT GO! Michelle Obama as a photoshopped monkey being the #1 Google hit for her name? FUCK YOU, LET IT GO! Hundreds of years of slavery? FUCK YOU, LET IT GO! Anti-Lebanese riots in Sydney? FUCK YOU, LET IT GO! Asian students being targeted and stabbed right outside the building I’m currently living in? FUCK ME, LET IT GO! I mean, everyone experiences racism, right? Like, when you’re at a job interview, the guy doing the hiring is going to stereotype everyone. He thinks the black guy’s a criminal, he thinks the Arab guy’s a terrorist, he thinks the Mexican guy is an illegal immigrant, and he thinks the white guy likes football. Everyone is stereotyped, so we’re all equal! LET IT GO!
Dethtron also thinks it’s ‘fortunate’ that nobody ever brings this up. Wow, that’s… that’s actually a truly disgusting sentiment, congratulations. The world has horrible social problems that are responsible for the violent deaths and intractable poverty of hundreds of millions of people, but thankfully THE GAMING COMMUNITY has the guts and determination to completely ignore them and pour scorn on anyone who so much as points out that they exist. From reading the response over at Dick Move, you’d think I stormed into town and nailed my thesis to Dethtron’s door, rather than briefly and politely pointing out that retconning the only group of dark skinned humans in Warhammer 40,000 into mutants who look like Papa Lazarou had unfortunate implications on a blog he doesn’t read and his friend found by accident. God knows I rant at length about the work of obscure strangers – see almost everything I’ve ever written, ever – but then, I’m not the one telling people that certain things aren’t worth caring about and should be let go of. In fact, the entire reason I brought up the problematic depiction of race in Warhammer 40,000 was that – to my knowledge – nobody else had, beyond a few message board threads I’d seen, all of which ended up derailed by… people like Dethtron, actually. Which sort of says it all. Again, this man is proud of the fact that gamers ignore social issues.
Have you read the article yet? Good. Now on the surface, this doesn’t look to be some crackpot conspiracy theory kind of bullshit, but I think that this aggravates me more.
I’m aware I’m slightly biased here, having written the article in question, but… the reason it doesn’t look like crackpot conspiracy theory bullshit is that it isn’t crackpot conspiracy theory bullshit. To briefly recap my argument: The universe Warhammer 40,000 is dominated by a galaxy-spanning empire that takes in the whole of humanity, minus some rebel bits on the side. We see this empire in its entirety, from the menial workers to the soldiers to the administrators, and I can literally count the number of coloured people on one hand. This is, you know, sort of ridiculous. It also has a knock-on effect, because while people are encouraged to create their own characters and factions, the lack of racial diversity in the canon universe means that there’ll be a consequent lack of racial diversity in people’s original creations. There was an exception to the rule, however, in a group of Space Marines called The Salamanders, who were depicted as dark-skinned because… well, they had dark skin. There were no associated racial stereotypes, and no crass attempts to model them on an existing “foreign” culture. Commendably, the skin wasn’t the be-all and end-all of their portrayal, nor a cheap way of othering them. They were just black guys.
Then, they got retconned into scary mutant space minstrels with coal black skin and glowing red eyes. No new black characters were brought in, meaning the universe has gone from “almost entirely white” to “entirely white with black mutants”. I had some problems with this.
Whether or not you think this sounds like a crackpot conspiracy theory will depend largely on whether or not you’re Dethtron.
There are two main issues that Richie brings up in his post – 1) GW must be racist because most of their miniatures are white and their fluff adheres to stereotypes 2) The retconned Salamanders are racist because their “blackness” is defined as a mutation and makes them monstrous.
This is what Shakespeare meant by “a foregone conclusion”.
Well, the UK is around 85% white and only about 2% black. So, with that context, most of the people responsible for GW are writing/painting/designing/drawing what they know.
IT’S SET IN SPACE AND THEY FIGHT ALIENS, FUCKWIT. They can summon up the creative energy to design a cyborg Cthulu monster that eats stars, but OHHH NO THERE ARE SO FEW HUMANS WITH BLACK SKIN AT THE BUS STOP TODAY WHAT IS THIS ARGH I CAN’T COPE WITH THE STRESS here is a living ivory statue with lava for blood instead.
Richie says that units like the thousand suns stereotype Egyptian culture and the white scars are stereotypically Mongolian. I would argue, rather, that they are invoking iconographic images from the past to help players find a reference point within the universe that has been created.
Yes, they are iconographic images. They’re also the only images.
The White Scars are Space Mongols, lead by a Khan, who ride motorcycles instead of horses. Taken on its own, a horde of Mongolian space warriors on motorcycles is a cool idea. But there are no other Mongolians, or Asians of any description, to be seen in the game; if you’re Asian in this universe, you are by default a Genghis Khan knock-off. This is not true of the European characters, who have varied representations, roles and cultures, which are themselves based on iconographic images. The issue here is that these are specifically Western iconographic images, which see things from a Western point of view and thus compress entire continents down into a few basic images while still differentiating between, say, Renaissance Venice and the Dark Age Britain. This is less noticeable, ish, in a high fantasy setting where everything is based on medieval Europe and we’re not supposed to consider the rest of the world (which isn’t itself unproblematic, as I’ll get to later), but when we’re dealing with the entire human race spread across multiple solar systems, the limitations of taking our iconography as absolute become incredibly obvious.
Again, people who can routinely imagine fictional space empires and invent new branches of science to cover plot holes should be outward-looking enough able to, say, go to a library and read a book about what the Central Asian steppes are actually like, rather than resort to a stereotype from the 13th century. But they didn’t, and it speaks of a level of insularity that betrays what the genre is supposed to do. The more pertinent example of this attitude isn’t anything in Warhammer 40,000, but its bookish older sister Warhammer Fantasy, which is set in a fantasy equivalent of the Holy Roman Empire. Take note of that: It’s not a standard high fantasy setting made up of whatever genre tropes sounded cool at the time, it’s a world grounded in a specific time and place that takes it big cues – religious schisms, plagues, elector-princes, inquisitors – from history, then builds the fantasy elements around them. This gives it a feeling of depth, stability and identity that’s sorely lacking from every other “superficially like Middle Earth, but with more elves” world, while still leaving things broad enough to include anything new that the designers can come up with.
The problem is that once we leave the Empire for somewhere not immediately based on Europe, the attention to detail that made the setting so interesting immediately departs and is replaced with crassness and laziness. The worst example of this is the Lizardmen, who we’re led to believe are based on the Aztec, Mayan and Inca cultures. This is twaddle, not least because the three cultures cited as sources of inspiration had almost nothing in common beyond inhabiting roughly the same continent: What the Lizardman are based on is a degraded folk memory of stories about Spanish explorers finding savages in the jungle and being appalled by their sacrificial rituals, and this appears to be where the research stopped. Unlike Warhammer‘s Empire, they’re not a believable culture, they’re a mess of feathers, gold ornaments, Von Daniken ancient astronaut bollocks, stepped pyramids and gibberish words that end with “-otec”. The designers of Warhammer Fantasy know that it would look ridiculous and sloppy if a Teutonic knight rode into battle with a Fleur D’Lys on his shield to win the favour of his lady, because Germany and Britain are wholly separate cultures with their own traditions and symbols, but when the culture in question isn’t one with direct ties to their own, it’s apparently not worth the bother.
Well, yes, of course it’s not: addressing a foreign culture, rather than simply looting it for symbols of foreign-ness, is rarely comfortable because unfamiliarity is often confusing and confronting. I’d argue, though, that this is precisely what makes addressing it worthwhile in the first place, especially when you’re trying to build a consistent fictional world. If these people actually cared as much about imagination and open-mindedness as they paid lip service to, the prospect of discovering an entire new culture, with new systems of thought and new ways of seeing the world, is a challenge that they should be jumping up and down to take on. In practice, the viewpoint isn’t that of a wide-eyed explorer, it’s of a cynical coloniser.
It’s iconic, but it’s also shallow, ridiculous and banal. The Lizardmen, despite being a functional, self-sustaining society, live in ruined cities. Think about that, for a second.
Lastly, Richie argues that mutating into a dark skin color and subsequent demonification of the Salamanders is racist. So here’s a fun fact, skin color (in all shades) IS A MUTATION. If you don’t want to get into the hard science side of this, basically the more sunlight your part of the world gets, the darker your skin will be. Darker skin reflects more light than light skin and helps to regulate production of Vitamin D, which is created in a process linked to sunlight and is toxic in large quantities. So Salamanders mutating due to an environmental anomaly makes perfect sense.
…which raises the question of where all the other black people in the universe are; is there only one planet where it’s ever bright? And, yes, he can’t tell the difference between “Your skin is dark because your ancestors lived somewhere sunny” and “Radiation turns you into Al Jolson, even though this has never been mentioned before and adds absolutely nothing to the setting”. Or he can, and is choosing to ignore it, because that’s what gamers do best!
This isn’t some kind of Joseph Conrad “Heart of Darkness” situation here. The Salamanders aren’t scary because they’re evil and black, but because they are gigantic genetically modified people who are sort of on our side.
Direct quote from book: “The battle-brothers of the Slamanders Chapter have jet-black skin and burning red eyes – a daemonic appearance“. So, yes, the blackness is meant to be scary. I don’t think it’s intentionally evoking the “scary black man” meme, because it’s described as something totally unnatural looking, as if their skin has become volcanic rock, but surely somebody noticed the implications? Oh, wait, there aren’t enough black people in the UK for anyone to notice. Apparently.
At the end of the day, the most important thing to remember before reading too deep into issue of race in the world of Games Workshop is that you’re playing a game that involves moving toy soldiers around. Don’t take it too seriously.
FUCK YOU, LET IT GO!
So, there we are. A complete failure to accept women as human beings, going apeshit because someone thought racism was racist, telling anyone who disagrees with you to get over it, and the belief that not caring about social issues is admirable. I don’t know if I can fucked playing this game anymore.
But the most telling part, I think, is that Dethtron’s post is entitled “A Sensitive Subject”. He’s right, it is sensitive, but it’s sensitive entirely because of people like him silencing discussion of it at every opportunity. I’ve been pointing out the fallacies in his rebuttal not because I want to humiliate him (although, given his own attitude, I don’t see any reason to be nice), but because it shows the lengths people like him are willing to go to to avoid discussing things that might make them uncomfortable. Presented with some facts about the Warhammer 40,000 setting that ask him to confront the game’s racism, his reflex isn’t to think about what it means, it’s to jump through some truly astonishing hoops and shift the goalposts so that he doesn’t have to think about what it means. Racism wouldn’t as sensitive a subject if if people were willing to discuss it rationally rather than burying their heads in the sand, in the same way that gamer girls wouldn’t be as rare if people took them seriously and didn’t treat them like circus freak desire objects.
They’re sensitive subjects for these guys, and they have a vested interest in keeping it that way, because the alternative is growing up.

Oriniwen said
“If you care about gamers being portrayed as sensible, mature adults, do not write shit like this, because it makes you sound like you are in high school.”
Richie, for this quote alone, I would like you to know I adore you and I would like to scrapbook the pictures of your last vacation for you. I will even use my *own stickers*.
I don’t know how I can beat into the heads of some of these people that “it’s just a game” or “it’s just the internet” or “it’s just [insert media here]“. Well, then, folks, it’s just a mirror. Pay no attention to the enormous ugly thing growing on the front of your face. IT ONLY EXISTS IN PRETEND MIRROR LAND!
The internet is real. Video games are *real*. Really real people play them, really real people interact in really real ways using them. Really real people with their own sets of likes, dislikes, experiences and OMG! yes – even real feelings. It’s fingers-in-ears of the worst form to pretend otherwise and that your actions online are meaningless. Woo! Magic box I magically type into for no reason and with no lasting effects or consequences!
Good god long comment is fucking long. Fan(atics) who freak the hell out over criticism/crictical analysis of their prrrrrecious then say “it’s just a game, chill already” make me want to quit the world.
Richie said
Sorry it’s taken me ages to get around to commenting, but this:
“The internet is real. Video games are *real*. Really real people play them, really real people interact in really real ways using them. Really real people with their own sets of likes, dislikes, experiences and OMG! yes – even real feelings. It’s fingers-in-ears of the worst form to pretend otherwise and that your actions online are meaningless. Woo! Magic box I magically type into for no reason and with no lasting effects or consequences!”
Should be tattooed to people’s brains at birth.
Liam said
Do you think that if GW had been started in China there would be any white people in their games?
Yes.
Originally I wanted to list all the chinese games featuring white characters, but the editor told me I ran out of space, whoops.
And why yes, a fantasy-mutation that turns one into a radioactive freak with skin the shade of volcanic stone and red-glowing eyes is scientifically accurate, fully natural and perfectly logical, alright-o.
April said
Oh I’m glad you pointed me to these links. Now I know where to put up advertising for my new tabletop miniatures game “Fatherland: The Game of Aryan Pride” in which endangered white people fight back against the encroaching hoards of mud people to create a land where they can finally live in peace. It features the fast-paced excitement of WH40k with an evocative new setting.
Will you play as the Puremen, with their proud Klavern Battalions who lay down their holy white blood to protect the last clean thing on Earth? Or will you play as the sinister ZOG, with their thuggish ADL (Aryan Damnation Legions) who are bent upon world domination?
It’s a thrilling new game for all true gamers, one that isn’t afraid to tackle real issues of concern to its core demographic. But remember, it’s all about pushing plastic men around, so don’t take it too seriously. It’s all in good fun!
Richie said
Someone’s already cornered that market.
DireSloth said
An hour ago I posted a sort-of funny anecdote (like this one!) on a video game forum and got flamed for detracting from the terribly vital discussions pertaining to the unbalancedness of the M60. I then went to a meeting of my campus Magic/gaming club and was totally ignored by everyone because all the other members had already formed their own little social groups. So thank you, Richie, for reminding me that geeks can be ignorant and bigoted and are not, as Revenge of the Nerds would have one believe, paragons of wisdom and understanding by nature. It was exactly what I wanted to hear right now.
Richie said
Something similar just happened over the Doctor Who forum, actually; a few people were talking about sexist stereotypes in Steven Moffat’s script, it was all quite low-key and nobody was fighting or anything, then a moderator showed up in the thread and told them not to “politicise everything”. But arguments about the Daleks’ timeline, they’re WORTHWHILE. There was also a fucking three page thread full of people letching over Asian women and doing comedy accents, I assume it’s still there.
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agouti-rex said
Dethtron’s defense of the warhammer golliwogs basically amounts to saying that we can’t judge their creators because they were products of their time? I guess I see his point, but saying it’s okay to stereotype black people because you don’t know any in real life still seems like a really flimsy argument as far as I’m concerned.
Mary the Disturbed Stick Woman said
I’ve been looking lately for a good response to the stupid, insipid, jackass “both sides” non-argument that is constantly put forth by apologists for the status quo (“Oh, well, every group has jerks.” “Well, you know, there’s racism on both sides.” (yes, we have two and only two races…whitey and everyone else, geddit?) “Well, you know, men are discriminated against too!”). Thank you for this. I’m armed and dangerous now.
attack_laurel said
But… But… How dare you point out to him his white male privilege! The whole point of privilege is the luxury of saying that his view is the only right view because he’s white and male!
The nerve of you.
Actually, I really don’t get this reaction. I’m white, and when people say “hey this is racist”, it doesn’t make me defensive, it makes me go “hey, wow, you are totally right! I can’t believe I didn’t see that! Thanks for pointing it out!”. I understand getting a little defensive when it’s something I’ve said, but mostly, it just makes me feel extremely apologetic, and determined not to look at it from my white privilege viewpoint. I just don’t understand the fear – if we can’t even acknowledge this shit for what it is, what hope do we have of really changing it, instead of using our privilege to ignore it?
It drives me up the wall, it does. Is it guilt? But why be afraid of apologizing? “I’m sorry” is one of the most powerful statements in the history of people. Like building muscle, you have to tear down the existing thought process to build better stronger ones, and part of that is acknowledging the problems in your thinking.
And they call us women emotional.
Speaking of which, I was in a D&D group in my high school that had three (count ‘em; three!) girls (we were all under 16) and four boys, and we never got any of this crap from the guys. This was in 1983. If, 27 years ago (dude, I’m old!), we could handle having girl gamers, then how the fuck behind the times are these guys? Oh, and the guys in my D&D group? All had dates for the prom. Coincidence? I think not.
Richie said
My D&D group was four guys, one of whom played an elf “Who looks like the singer from The Donnas but hotter” and freeze-framed episodes of Cardcaptor Sakura in order to look up the characters’ skirts. Eventually they decided to play Vampire: The Masquerade instead and didn’t invite me. I was the only one with a date to the dance and, so far, anywhere else.
Charles RB said
“Well, the UK is around 85% white and only about 2% black. So, with that context, most of the people responsible for GW are writing/painting/designing/drawing what they know.”
On behalf of the UK, up yours matey.
And even ignoring the comment being insulting, Games Workshop is headquartered in Nottingham. Figures from 2005 show that in that city, 7.7% of residents are Asian, 4.7% are Black British, 3.2% Mixed Race, and 2.8% “Chinese and other”. If they were “drawing what they know” from living in Nottingham, then…
April said
I guess the thing that really gets me here is that the whole demon-black skin with glowing red eyes thing is actually pretty cool, but they fucked it up by applying it to the only black Chapter in the canon.
Why not put it on the Iron Hands or something? Or hell, make up a new Chapter altogether.
snobographer said
“So here’s a fun fact, skin color (in all shades) IS A MUTATION.”
Right. Humanity started off black and mutated into lighter shades as we migrated out of Africa into Asia and Europe. Yet, in this game, the dark people are the mutants. Hmmm…
April said
On second consideration, no, what really gets me is the clueless racism. The fact that the ruined a good idea with clueless racism is just icing on the dog turd.
bg said
http://www.feministgamers.com/?page_id=41
This was one of the basic anti-troll posts at Feminist Gamers, whenever people would try to retort with the, “Well, obsessing over (racism/sexism/whathaveyouism) in this is dumb, it’s just a game!” Yeah, it is a game, but YOU obviously cared enough to comment.
This post also points out the most important thing, that racism and sexism can never be brought up without being shouted down, even if you aren’t saying something is racist or sexist. It’s like when the first Resident Evil 5 trailer dropped, and N’Gai Croal talked about it. He never said it was racist, he just said that there were some racial issues, and clearly no black person actually worked on the game. Boy howdy was there a gamer troll backlash for that.
It’s another basic nerd problem that comes up a lot, and it’s one of the reason why I try to actually distance myself from a lot of nerd “culture”. You are not your fandom. When I question something you like, I’m not questioning you. I love Tolkien, but there’s a lot of racial, gender, and class issues in his books. I love the original series of Star Trek, and while it was progressive in many ways, it was also hella misogynistic. You need to be able to step away from the things you love, because you need to realize when I criticize something you like, I’m not criticizing YOU.* That is, until you open your mouth to whine.
*There is an important exception. If you’re a fan of Gor, I am criticizing you and also, please get away from me.
Skye said
LOVE this post. Love.
(Yes, I know, proper commenting etiquette generally demands something more insightful or substantive, but it’s been a really long day and right now I’m too busy enjoying the sentence “They can summon up the creative energy to design a cyborg Cthulu monster that eats stars, but OHHH NO THERE ARE SO FEW HUMANS WITH BLACK SKIN AT THE BUS STOP TODAY WHAT IS THIS ARGH I CAN’T COPE WITH THE STRESS here is a living ivory statue with lava for blood instead.” Because of the awesome.)
Janelle said
BG: Yes, yes, and YES. (oh god Gor *shudder*)
Furthermore, there’s also the assumption that tends to be snatched up that if you point out some racism or sexism issues, you’re saying the entire thing sucks because of the issue you presented. That’s a silly conclusion to draw – anything and everything can be criticized, good or not! (Not to say that a certain level of racism/sexism/etc can’t be a deal breaker, though.)
For example: Some other gamers and I, regarding the video game Mass Effect 2, were expressing disappointment that, once again, no gay male options were present, and once again, the single gay female option was kind of creepy, poorly written, and basically seemed tossed in there for fanservice. Cue a FLOOD of people raving about how it’s SUCH A GOOD GAME SO WHY ARE YOU WHINING RARRRGH RARRRGH RARRGH! When I said “It’s still a good game, but it would have been great if they would have added a gay male option. It’s too bad.” Someone responded to me, “You’re right, this game would have been better if only they added more dicks.” Oyyy.
And, oh god. I was brave/stupid enough to bring up on the forum of one of my favorites, Dragon Age: Origins, how one of the party members describes something he did that – by how he described it – was rape. I expressed discomfort, saying that the way it was handled says pretty clearly to me that his writer was not realizing that rape was being described – which is frustrating, because otherwise I love the character, and since I’m 99% sure it just didn’t occur to the writer the implications of what was being said, I chose to break immersion and write that off as non-canon. ….Well, you can imagine how that turned out. I am a damn feminazi. Heil vagina.
I am wasting much space on my nerd ramble. For that I apologize. Great post as always Richie
Richie said
But I like your nerd rambles!
April said
Luckily for me, I have long since lost faith in BioWare’s ability to craft unique, original, and unexpected stories, so I don’t have those same problems WRT Dragon Age and Mass Effect.
There are only so many times I can be some variation on (essentially) a Jedi knight, empowered to take all sorts of drastic actions to SAVE US ALL from ancient evil monsters/robots before it gets stale.
Patrick J McGraw said
“The White Scars are Space Mongols, lead by a Khan, who ride motorcycles instead of horses. Taken on its own, a horde of Mongolian space warriors on motorcycles is a cool idea. But there are no other Mongolians, or Asians of any description, to be seen in the game; if you’re Asian in this universe, you are by default a Genghis Khan knock-off.”
Hah! That’s where you’re wrong, mister! There’s the imperial Guardsmen from Atilla. These Space Mongols ride horses and are lead by… a Khan…
Oh.
Richie said
You can, however, be an Asian-influenced character with their own distinct look and identity, provided you’re either an elf or a frog.
Actually, the situation with the Guard shits me, too. I remember in the 90s you could pick up all the ethnic stereotype Guard squads in Games Workshop stores, and they painted a really diverse picture of the soldiers so it actually seemed to take in the whole human race. Now it’s all Cadians with different colour schemes.
Helen said
None of my girlfriends have been gamers of any description, and about half of them have thought that gaming was a silly waste of time and money, but the idea that this makes them an adversarial killjoy, rather than a different person who doesn’t share every single one of my interests because they are a different person, is self-centred and juvenile.
This would be extraordinarily ma-churr for most men in their twenties in this country, but if this is how you reacted when you were *sixteen*, even more kudos to you. This is the sort of thing I’d like to frame and hang on the wall for my own kids to see and learn from.
Helen said
Darker skin reflects more light than light skin
My education is completely on the humanities/arts side and even i know that white or light colours reflects, black or dark colors absorbs. My knowledge isn’t enough to know just how more melanin is better for a sunny climate, but I know it ain’t that.
Richie said
And even then, yeah, dark skin will stop you getting sunburned as easily, but for it to work in the way he seems to think it does, it’d have to function like a radiation suit. He also hasn’t quite grasped the whole “natural selection across generations” aspect, as if sunbathing is able to change your genes, or something. God, I’ve given this guy way more time than he deserves.
Anonamous (not the internet hate machine, the other one) said
Iirc the volcano skinned, red eyed salamanders were the original, and that is was a mistake by the painting team that made them African-american black skinned at all. Not that it changes much.
Yet Another Cynical Wargamer said
I found this article a delightful and intriguing read. There are lots of good point raised (which is true of many of the comments too!). I’ve not read any of the offending articles and tend not to go on BLOS that much. Ironically I prefer forums for my information, but that’s because I don’t mind reading the random additional tangents.
My concern here isn’t whether or not Richie or Dethtron’s argument is even remotely correct or not. It doesn’t actually matter, or at least didn’t.
To say that issues like sexism or racism are not important or basically needing to be backhanded away as irrelevant for wargaming is just utterly wrong. If it is not relevant, where then is it also not relevant? Are we then to conclude that the issue itself is not a concern in written word across the whole internet, films, TV series, well all media? Where does it stop being important? Never. Why? Because there is an audience, and because such things are always a concern.
Such things are never trivial. Nor should people be put down for simply stating them. How far have we actually got as a species if we decide certain subjects are off the agenda?
It doesn’t matter whether 40k or any other wargame is sexist or racist or not. It matters if it is, because then we have to deal with it. Women didn’t become suffragettes because it was unimportant that they didn’t have the vote in the UK because they’d never use it; although it is no betrayal if they choose not to use their justly-earned right.
What is truly important is not who is right or who is wrong but that the words are actually said and as loudly as possible. The rest can be worked out, but to say it is wrong to do so in the first place is just as bad as the racism and sexism that the work itself may contain.
I applaud the effort here.
Richie said
HEY GAMERS BE MORE LIKE THIS GUY ^^^^^
Charles RB said
“then a moderator showed up in the thread and told them not to “politicise everything”.”
We can’t “politicise” things on a show that’s been quite happy to pilfer, allude to, and outright yell about politics? Malcolm Hulke alone…
Richie said
Not to mention the first season of the revamped series featured America threatening the UK over “massive weapons of destruction” that turned out to be fictitious. It’s not exactly subtle.
Charles RB said
The Slitheen ep? That was the Slitheen faking an enemy with WMDs that could launch in “45 seconds”, so they could get access to weaponry. In Downing Street.
Recently, a Telegraph/Times (something with a T) ran a shocked article about the lefty sentiments in late-80s Who as if this was only part of the McCoy era. HA.
Richie said
Hell, even the very first story is about introducing a socialist / democratic belief system to an authoritarian society (“Kal is not stronger than the whole tribe”).
Charles RB said
The Frontier in Space/Planet of the Daleks DVDs and The Silurians even have DVD features explicitly stating the contemporary politics the stories alluded to (well, less explicit politics and more general themes for Planet). Paul Cornell has a bit about how Silurians is “about a immigration – a HUUUUGE load of immigrants are turning up, that’s not even subtext it’s just text” – the clip for that is a group of Silurians bursting into a building and everyone going “:(“.
Watchmaker said
Excellent article. A great read.
Od1um said
Psh, what else do you expect from a bunch of entitled whiteys dudes? Do you really expect them to change? The reason they keep their heads in the sand is because they know the evils their race/sex has perpetrated and are unwilling to accept the punishment they deserve. Fuck them, they’ll get theirs in the end.